I have used 7-Upgrade quite a few times on a new or formated drive.. I just did the double install trick. It always works .It just takes more time .
--- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "RogerX19" <helpmeroger@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Vincent,
>
> The link you gave goes to a webpage written by Paul Thurrott.
>
> Paul is great, and extemely knowledgeable on this stuff.
>
> One thing he says is "While you can't simply use Upgrade media to do a clean install of Windows 7 on a new or previously formatted PC ..."
>
> But I don't think he emphasized that enough.
>
> It's important to realize that when you go to install Windows 7 using an Upgrade disk, Windows HAS to be already installed on the computer.
>
> This can be either Vista or XP, but it has to be on the computer already.
>
> As he said (and I am just emphasizing), you cannot use an Upgrade disk on an empty hard drive. (Or if someone knows how to, please share the info)
>
> The reason I mention this is so that someone doesn't make the same mistake I did.
>
> I was planning to upgrade my XP to Win7, but wanted to do a "clean" install, so deleted the XP partition first.
>
> In the past, a Windows Upgrade install would simply pause and ask you to put in the CD from a prior version.
>
> Windows 7 changed that ... you actually have to leave the prior version on the computer.
>
> If you have Vista, Win7 will upgrade it.
>
> If you have XP, Win 7 will completely delete it and everything else in the partition, and then install itself.
>
> Again, if this has changed, or is not accurate, feel free to correct me.
>
> rogerX
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "vincentwinterling" <vwinterling@> wrote:
> >
> > Alternatives for a clean install with a W7 upgrade disk:
> >
> > http://bit.ly/iRQmh9
> >
> > --- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "rogerx19" <helpmeroger@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > As I'm sure you know, most people replace an old hard drive with a new, larger one.
> > >
> > > They use a "Drive to Drive" disk cloning software to move all the data from the old drive to the new one, sector by sector and bit by bit.
> > >
> > > Because you want to go to a smaller drive, you want a disk cloning program that can do "Partition to Partition", rather than "Drive to Drive".
> > >
> > > This will allow you to clone your C: drive from the old hard drive to the new one.
> > >
> > > Then you can decide what you want to do with the old D: drive.
> > >
> > > Is your Windows 7 install DVD an upgrade disk? Will you need your Vista installation in case you ever need to use the Win7 upgrade disk?
> > >
> > > If you make Disk Images of your new Win 7 installation, you can always restore from them if needed.
> > >
> > > But if your Win 7 install disk is an Upgrade disk, you'll need Windows XP or Vista already installed to use it.
> > >
> > > rogerX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Vince-- Thanks
> > > > I owe you (among many) a lot. On the philosophy that I have the new Drive,
> > > > why not use the insurance?, I will probably make the change--soon. The
> > > > remaining question is the sequence and scenario. How is this?
> > > > 1. Remove and store the current back-up drive (500Gb); it has proven its
> > > > worth and has good current back-up on it.
> > > > 2. Replace it with the new drive (750Gb) and make a bootable (Clone?) drive
> > > > with system, applications and data from the current main drive.(C:, <1Tb) I
> > > > question the need for copying D:, because that is the manufacturers back up
> > > > of the original Vista. It may be easier to just copy D: for now.
> > > > 3. Make the new drive the main(C:) working drive, with the current drive as
> > > > reserve. Make tests and scans of the new drive until satisfied.
> > > > 4. Do something with the old drive to actively use it (back-up?)
> > > > I have a couple of specific questions besides a general request for
> > > > commentary. What is the best way to make a bootable version of the current
> > > > C:+D:,1Tb, to a slightly smaller (750Gb) drive remembering that I don't
> > > > really need the current D:?
> > > > And--An open request-- all pitch in. apparently we have time.
> > > > Bill--W4BSG
> > > > PS all this involves Windows 7 (64) Home Premium. All drives are SATA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Vincent Winterling" <vwinterling@>
> > > > To: <simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:42 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Simply Computers] backup and restore
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Here's the dilemma: Do you trust the drive or do you say it was some
> > > > > unknown
> > > > > anomaly with the operating system? Reason I ask is I've replaced drives
> > > > > that
> > > > > got squirrely like that. Just didn't want to take a chance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vincent Winterling
> > > > > Vineland, NJ
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RogerX19
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:19 PM
> > > > > To: simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Simply Computers] backup and restore
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am in the same boat as you ...
> > > > >
> > > > > this weekend my computer slowed to a crawl, including lots of "Not
> > > > > Responding" Internet Explorer and other programs, so I got out my System
> > > > > Repair disk and booted with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few System Images, so reinstalled the latest one, only to find
> > > > > that
> > > > > it was corrupt.
> > > > >
> > > > > I then reinstalled the next earlier one, but the computer was still
> > > > > unstable. I began to wonder if it was a hardware problem (hard drive, bad
> > > > > memory, etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I ran checkdisk but it found no problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I ran an earlier System Image and the computer runs perfectly!
> > > > > However,
> > > > > it was an image I made right after a full system reinstall, so much of
> > > > > what
> > > > > I had on the computer is gone. That is not a big problem ... nothing that
> > > > > important.
> > > > >
> > > > > That was yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > Today I decided that I would try re-imaging with a later image, to get
> > > > > back
> > > > > some of my deleted stuff. The re-image worked, but the computer was slow
> > > > > and
> > > > > unstable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I booted with the Win7 disk and chose to reinstall Windows right on
> > > > > top
> > > > > of itself. The procedure went well for awhile, then it canceled itself. It
> > > > > gave an error message that a file that it needed was corrupt or missing,
> > > > > and
> > > > > an error code.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gave up and re-imaged the computer with my earlier System Image and now
> > > > > the computer is fine again. (using it to type this)
> > > > >
> > > > > I just have to reinstall a few programs that got deleted, but nothing
> > > > > important.
> > > > >
> > > > > I see you ran two extensive hard drive checks, which didn't find any
> > > > > problems, so not sure why you are going to replace your hard drive. Didn't
> > > > > you say it was working OK?
> > > > >
> > > > > rogerX
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks, Roger.--
> > > > >> This is pretty much in line with my experience and thoughts. I have made
> > > > > the
> > > > >> System repair disk, and I have the Win7 upgrade (from Vista) disk. (Both
> > > > >> Belt and Suspenders).
> > > > >> One funny thing-- The System disk (at first) would not let me run
> > > > > "Upgrade"
> > > > >> because it found that I had already upgraded. After I found the repair CD
> > > > >> and could get to the backup files and (after two tries) got things
> > > > >> working
> > > > >
> > > > >> again, Then it would let me into the Upgrade option. ??
> > > > >> This group has been a real help, both contributing and psychologically.
> > > > >> Bill--W4BSG
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "RogerX19" <helpmeroger@>
> > > > >> To: <simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:03 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Simply Computers] backup and restore
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Bill,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I think all the suggestions about bootable disks is for people not
> > > > > running
> > > > >> > Windows 7.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > As you found out, one of the things available in the Windows 7 Backup
> > > > > and
> > > > >> > Restore utility is to Create a System Repair Disc.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > This is just a bootable CD or DVD that can be used to boot the
> > > > >> > computer.
> > > > >
> > > > >> > It has a few repair tools on it, and can be used to access any System
> > > > >> > Images that you created with the Backup and Restore utility. It does
> > > > >> > not
> > > > >
> > > > >> > contain the Images.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I've used it before, and it actually works quite well. I had to use it
> > > > >> > again yesterday when my current Windows 7 became unstable and BSOD'd
> > > > > with
> > > > >> > some weird message that I was not able to Google a remedy for.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Acronis and all are fine for pre-Win7 computers, but Win7 doesn't need
> > > > > it.
> > > > >> > (not sure about Vista - but I wouldn't trust it)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > For all Windows 7 users: Be sure to Create a system repair disc if you
> > > > >> > don't have a Microsoft Win7 installation disk, and also "Create a
> > > > >> > system
> > > > >
> > > > >> > image" every now and then when the computer is running good.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > System Restore is fine, when it works, but when it doesn't you need a
> > > > >> > System Image, or you'll have to reinstall Windows from the beginning.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > rogerX
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --- In simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Reply to my own post--
> > > > >> >> Please forgive the errors-- the first line picked up some stuff
> > > > >> >> "during
> > > > >> >> boot-up)" and, near the end, the spellchecker changed "Acronis" to
> > > > >> >> "Acronyms".
> > > > >> >> Both, I should have spotted.
> > > > >> >> Bill--W4BSG
> > > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> >> From: "Bill Aycock" <billaycock@>
> > > > >> >> To: <simplycomputers2@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:05 PM
> > > > >> >> Subject: [Simply Computers] backup and restore
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > during boot-up)Vincent, Roger, Bob Austino, and other backup Buffs--
> >
>
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